The Good, The Bad & The Rugby

Alex Payne is joined by Mike Brown and former Scotland Captain John Barclay to break down Round 2 of the Nations Championship. The trio unpack South Africa's incredible depth, ask whether anyone can stop the Boks on the road to 2027, and debate whether Scotland's performance was a step forward despite the defeat.

Plus, England finally get back to winning ways against Fiji where Henry Pollock continues his remarkable rise. Will Steve Borthwick start him v Argentina? The guys give their verdict.


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00:00 Season 6 is Sponsored by Continental Tyres

03:16 Scotland vs Springboks

13:55 South Africa Depth Debate

21:37 Ad Break Refund Club

22:35 Fiji Worries and Board Drama

25:56 England Attack Identity

33:56 Let Pollock Loose

34:28 Backline Picks Argentina

35:22 Backing Van Rensburg

37:01 Caluori & Why Fullback Is Hard

41:30 Harvey Norman Break

43:02 Will Jordan Record Breaker

47:02 France Depth And Wallabies Woes

52:22 Japan Home Game Farce

56:48 All Blacks vs Ireland - Round 3

59:07 Argentina vs England - Round 3

01:02:33 Tables Fixtures And Farewell
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Alex Payne and Mike Brown run the rule over Steve Borthwick’s selection ahead of England’s game against Fiji. The pressure is on Steve Borthwick following a 5th straight defeat this year.

00:00 🚗 - Season 6 Is Sponsored By Continental Tyres 

01:26 🏉 - England v Fiji Build-Up 

02:49 📋 - England Team Sheet Analysis 

06:11 🎙️ - Brown On England’s Backline 

10:47 💷 - Refund Club 

11:46 🤔 - Who Should Play 15? 

14:20 💥 - How Will England Deal With The Pressure? 

17:57 🧠 - The Value Of Experience 

20:14 🍻 - O’Neills Pubs 

20:58 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 - Come On England



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South Africa reminded everyone exactly why they're world champions, brushing England aside 45-21 at altitude in Johannesburg to open the new Nations Championship. Payno, Hask and Tins dig into where it really went wrong for England, not the early 17-0 hole (they clawed back to within three at half-time), but the, two costly yellow cards, and defensive system the boys argue isn't getting the best out of these players. It sparks a proper debate about whether Shaun Edwards is the "elephant in the room" England can't keep ignoring. The lads give their early thoughts on the tournament itself. Plus Wales' back-to-back wins, Dave Rennie's winning start with the All Blacks, Ireland's fightback in Australia.



🛞 00:00 Season 6 is Sponsored By Continental Tyres

🤔 01:16 Does the New Nations Championship Make Sense?

📊 02:54 Round One Results

🏉 06:30 England vs South Africa Breakdown

🐘 16:10 Shaun Edwards "Elephant In The Room"

🚗 33:31 Refund Club

🔥 34:33 Australia vs Ireland Thriller

🇳🇿 39:43 All Blacks Edge France

🌸 43:54 Japan Upset Italy and Wales Rise

📋 47:19 Table Round Up



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Mike Brown joins Payno to react to Steve Borthwick's England team selection ahead of the blockbuster Test against South Africa. From Tommy Freeman at 13 to Tom Curry's massive back row battle, Brown gives his verdict on England's chances against the world champion Springboks.



01:53 🏉 Starting XV Breakdown
03:20 💬 Freeman at 13 Debate
04:53 ⚡ Van Poortvliet and Curry Spotlight
09:21 🎖️ Caps and Experience Gap
11:20 🛡️ Furbank Fullback Fundamentals
13:24 ⛰️ Altitude Reality Check
16:23 🔥 Ellis Park Hostility
19:38 📝 Composite XV Picks
22:35 🎯 How England Can Upset
24:36 🔮 Prediction and Wrap Up



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In this week’s show we hear from two men who have done what few England players ever have: beaten the Springboks in South Africa.

Mike Tindall and Jonny May take us inside England's historic victories in 2000 and 2018, sharing untold tour stories and revealing the physical and mental blueprint required to "Beat the Boks".



2000: SA 22 – ENG 27 at Bloemfontein:

(1-8) Jason Leonard, Phil Greening, Julian White, Martin Johnson, Danny Grewcock, Richard Hill, Neil Back, Lawrence Dallaglio

(9-15) Kyran Bracken, Jonny Wilkinson, Ben Cohen, Mike Catt, Mike Tindall, Austin Healey, Matt Perry Bench – Mark Regan, Dave Flatman, Simon Shaw, Joe Worsley, Will Greenwood, Tim Stimpson, Leon Lloyd

South Africa: Montgomery, Paulse, Fleck, Barry, P. Rossouw, van Straaten, van der Westhuizen, Kempson, Marais, Visagie, Boome, Otto, Krige, Venter, Vos.



2018 SA 10 – ENG 25 at Newlands

(1-8) Joe Marler, Jamie George, Kyle Sinckler, Joe Launchbury, Maro Itoje, Chris Robshaw, Tom Curry, Nathan Hughes

(9-15) Ben Youngs, Danny Cipriani, Mike Brown, Owen Farrell, Henry Slade, Jonny May, Elliot Daly

Bench – Luke Cowan-Dickie, Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Jonny Hill, Mark Wilson, Sam Simmonds, Ben Spencer, Denny Solomona



00:00 🍑 Jonny May’s Tattoo

03:41 🇿🇦 Boks v England Preview

07:43 😡 Red Mist to Friendship

14:57 🚌 Touring South Africa Reality

18:04 🌹 The 2000 Tour

26:13 🔫 Robbed at Gunpoint

31:37 🦌 The Infamous 53-3

35:55 🛫 The 2018 Tour

40:30 🏟️ Siya Kolisi and Rassie Era

43:32 🙉 Tour Madness

45:38 🗻 Cape Town Win and Cipriani



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