The CITIUS MAG Podcast | A Running + Track and Field Show

Chris and Kyle reunite for a European Championships wrap up that includes the women’s 800m race everyone came to Birmingham for, Jakob’s comments on Josh Kerr, Amy Hunt’s four gold medals, Andreas Almgren’s 10K performance and more.

Discussed in this episode:

– Audrey Werro wins the women’s 800m in 1:54.81 — a 44-year-old championship record: The race everyone wanted. Hodgkinson takes the front after the first bend, Werro goes wide on the back straight and takes the lead at 300m. First lap 56.45, 29.2 through 600, Werro opens the gap off the final turn, Hodgkinson closes half a meter — and that’s it. It is the only two sub-1:54 performances since the 1980s. Keely takes silver in 1:55.01 — also under the old record. No one else was within three seconds. Werro’s season: won all six outdoor races, PB from 1:55.91 to 1:53.80, four of the five fastest times in the world this year.

– The semi controversy: Werro was clipped from behind and fell late in Thursday’s semi, hit the rail, was limping afterward. Officials correctly advanced her to the final. A lot of people argued she got a free semi and that argument is wrong.

– On writing off Keely: That’s an overreaction. She set an indoor world record and an outdoor PB this season. She hasn’t been off a major podium in 12 straight championships.

– The Femke Factor: 1:55.54 for bronze ties Ellen van Langen’s 34-year-old Dutch record from the 1992 Olympic final. She was the only athlete in the field to PB.

– Jakob Ingebrigtsen says athletes skipping championships are “ruining” the sport: Three days after winning the European 5K in his first race in 11 months, Jakob told the BBC he was “very” disappointed Josh Kerr skipped the European Championships. His argument: championships exist so the best athletes compete, it’s not really for athletes to choose where they participate, and not showing up damages the sport.

+ More from European Championships including Georgia Hunter-Bell wins the European 1500m — her third major title of 2026: 4:07.78 in a slow, tactical final, gliding clear. Klaudia Kązmierska silver (4:08.80), Patricia Silva bronze (4:09.22) + Amy Hunt sweeps four golds: 100m, 200m, 4x100m, mixed 4x100m — an unprecedented haul.

– 2028 US Olympic Trials: Hayward Field, June 17-22, six days: USATF confirmed Hayward Field for the sixth straight Trials. The bigger story is the format: six days, no rest days, the shortest Trials since 1964. Every Trials from 1992-2024 ran ten days. Why: SoFi Stadium is hosting both the July 14 opening ceremony and swimming, so LA28 flipped the calendar. Track runs July 15-24.

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The hardest part of marathon training is finding the time to marathon train. It depends who you are, but that excuse often works for me. Life is busy and there are plenty of reasons to be content with an easy 5-mile run before work each day, though do that for six months and you quickly realize that rather than progressing the fitness just continues to erode.

Looking for some new motivation to get me out the door this summer, I decided that it was time to do another fall marathon. Nike approached CITIUS MAG and asked whether anyone on our team was interested in running this year’s race. I decided it was finally time to do the Chicago Marathon. Having done three marathons before, I have learned that each one comes with a new curriculum of education. Experience is valuable and that’s why I am going to be leaning in on arguably the greatest distance runner in American history, Galen Rupp, to help guide my training.

In addition to having won two Olympic medals, Rupp also has a Chicago Marathon title to his name. Those are better accolades than mine, which is a 2:26 from the 2025 Houston Marathon. I’m hoping that with Galen in my corner to write workouts and give some regular advice that I can get that down.

This is the initial consultation. Galen comes in cold on my training history. We work through a full marathon training philosophy and discuss: consistent mileage as the foundation of marathon training, the role of cross training, long run structure/distance, the two-week training block model, why I need to train my endurance more than my speed, the shoe rotation philosophy, Chicago’s pancake flat profile requiring no specific course prep, nutrition and gut training starting now, age and recovery at 35 vs. 40, the mental work of logging each session’s goals and reflecting after, and lastly the goal.

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Kyle’s Recent Training:

May 25 — 5 x 1,000m @ 3:20 (5:22/mile pace)

May 30 — 5K in 17:30 (5:38/mile pace)

June 2 — 5 x 1,200m @ 3:58 (5:19/mile pace)

June 9 — 10 x 800m @ 2:45 (5:32/mile pace)

June 13 — 5 x 1 mile @ 5:17

June 16 — 3 x 2 miles @ 5:20/mile

June 19 — 8 x 1,000m @ 3:18 (5:19/mile pace)

July 1 — 7 x 1,200m @ 3:59 (5:21/mile pace)

July 5 — 15 miles easy

July 7 — 2 x 3 miles @ 5:26/mile

July 10 — 15 miles, with 6 miles alternating @ 5:53 average

July 13 — 10 x 30-second hills + 10 x 300m @ 53 seconds (4:44/mile pace)

July 17 — 10 x 1,000m @ 3:17 (5:17/mile pace)

July 19 — 16 miles, with 4 x 2 miles @ 5:50/mile

July 21 — 4 miles @ 5:26/mile, then 3 x 1 mile @ 5:18

July 26 — 18 miles, with 8 miles @ 5:40/mile

July 30 — 5 x (2K @ 5:26 pace // 1K @ 6:19 pace)

Aug. 2 — 20 miles @ 6:28/mile

Aug. 5 — 3 x 3 miles @ 5:21/mile

Weekly mileage: A six-week progression from 62 miles to 72.

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“Without that disappointment — could he have recalibrated, adapted, and trained as hard ashe did for the record? Sometimes our biggest disappointment becomes our biggest inspiration.”

My guest for today’s episode is Jose Maresma — clinical exercise physiologist, sport psychologist, and the mental performance coach behind Josh Kerr’s mile world record. If you listened to our conversation with Josh or Danny Mackey over the last few weeks, you heard his name come up repeatedly — the whiteboard in Albuquerque, the instructions on race morning, 'what if it was easy.' Jose was the person on the other end of all of it.

Jose has been working in performance psychology for 35 years, across Olympic sports, professional athletics, special forces, law enforcement, and corporate leadership. He started in the world of metabolic development, alpine ski racing, the Olympic Training Center, and kept running into the same bottleneck: the mind.

His connection to Josh started not with Josh but with Josh’s wife, Larimar. She attended a talk Jose gave to scholar-athletes heading into medical school in 2019, came up afterward, and two years later texted him: my boyfriend is preparing for the Olympics — would you be open to working with him? Jose invited Josh to a cold plunge session the next morning. Ice pool, pickaxe, 32 degrees, dark outside. Josh dove in. Five years of work followed.

In this conversation Jose walks us through all of it — the hero’s journey framework he built their relationship around, why he had Josh write 3:42 on dozens of pages with a blue pen, the 222-second cold plunge and what it was designed to do at a cellular level, what actually happens neurologically when an athlete goes deaf in a race, how the pacers were prepared with their own mental work, and more. He also closes with what any recreational runner heading into a weekend 5K can actually steal from all of this.

You can find Jose on Instagram at @josevo2max or visit his website for more information on his work at the link here.

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Chris Chavez and Preet Majithia are back at it with Preet coming to us live from the European Championships media center in Birmingham.

Discussed in this episode:

– Jakob Ingebrigtsen wins the European 5K in 13:15: First race in 11 months following surgery on the sheath around his left Achilles in February. At one point he was three seconds off the front in what appeared to be a dangerously strung-out single-file race. Nobody made it hard for him — a tactical mistake by the field.

– What’s next for Jakob: He’s entered in the Silesia Diamond League (announced this morning). He’s also confirmed for the Zurich Diamond League, where he’ll face Cole Hocker and Isaac Nader. The World Ultimate Championship 1500m path has also been clarified.

– European Championships women’s 800m heats — possibly the fastest in major championships history. Keely Hodgkinson leads from the front in Heat 1, clocks 1:57.28 looking completely in control. Audrey Werro and Femke Bol also advance. Semis: August 13th. Final: Friday August 14th at 9:46 PM UK time.

– Other events to watch: Women’s 1500: Georgia Hunter Bell is the heavy favorite; Men’s 1500: Isaac Nader vs. Jake Wightman rematch; Men’s 800: Mark English has every European medal except gold; Men’s 10K: Gressier vs. Almgren + more.

– European Championships stadium attendance concerns?

– World Championships 2029 bids: Final bid presentations happening this Friday. Cities: London, Nairobi, Rome, Munich. Decision expected in September, possibly at the World Ultimate Championships.

– US Olympic Trials 2028 — six-day format: Documentation is now out.

– Jonah Koech — three-year ban for blood doping: USADA (not the AIU, notably) announced that Koech has accepted a three-year ban after his Athlete Biological Passport returned an adverse passport finding. He is stripped of his 2025 US 1500m national title. Ethan Strand is elevated to champion.

– Guardian Mile stroller mile world record — Steven Biebelhausen, 4:17.7: Set at the Guardian Mile in Cleveland on Saturday on the Memorial Bridge.

– U20 World Championships — top performances: Emmanuel Kiprono, 7:28 men’s 3K: Championship record. Missed Yomif Kejelcha’s U20 world record by 0.09 seconds; Tate Taylor, triple gold; Claire Stegall, women’s 1500m silver + more.

– Coming up: Full European Championships recap next week. Falmouth road race this weekend.

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Chris Chavez and Preet Majithia are back to put a bow on the Commonwealth Games, preview what Josh Kerr does next, assess Jakob Ingebrigtsen’s return, dig into the road to World Ultimate Championships, preview U20 Worlds in Eugene, and cover several news stories that got buried.

– The Commonwealth Games and its future: Glasgow stepped in as last-minute host after Victoria, Australia pulled out in 2023 citing runaway costs. The result: a smaller-scale games (ten sports instead of the usual 17-18, no road races or triathlon). The core value of the Games — small island nations competing on a multi-sport stage, home nations competing as Scotland/Wales/England/Northern Ireland rather than GB, a stepping stone between junior and Diamond League levels — remains intact.

– Men’s mile: Josh Kerr gold, 3:54.12: Josh got boxed at 450 out and had to force his way clear, covering extra distance in the process. None of it mattered. His final lap: 53.61. Won by 1.14 seconds over Cam Myers (silver), Timothy Cheruiyot (bronze). Josh is definitively the best miler in the world.

– What does Josh Kerr do next? Option A: Zurich Diamond League 1500m world record attempt; Option B: World Ultimate Championships 1500m, Budapest, September, Option C: Fifth Avenue Mile payday (Vote in the Spotify comments section)

– Georgia Hunter-Bell wins women’s 800m, 1:59.51: Never really challenged. Georgia’s first Commonwealth medal. She now has the full set: Olympic medal, world championship medal, European medal, Commonwealth Games medal — all in the last three years.

– European Championships women’s 800m, August 14th: Keely vs. Audrey Werro rematch: No data on Keely’s current fitness — she’s been quiet since London. Werro ran a 400m PB of 50.8 at the Swiss champs, jogged a 1:57 800 the same day, and is clearly sharp.

– Australia’s generational Commonwealth Games: Torrie Lewis and Lachlan Kennedy in the sprints (Kennedy 9.85 national record silver in the rain). Abbey Caldwell, Jess Hull, Claudia Hollingsworth sweep the women’s mile 1-2-3. Cam Myers silver behind Josh in the men’s mile. Rose Davies 5K/10K double (first Australian woman ever). Ky Robinson medals in both distance events.

– Kenya’s thinner-than-expected showing: The trend of Kenya’s elite distance runners prioritizing the roads is real.

– Elise Thorner, women’s steeple bronze, 9:05: Personal best in difficult conditions — wind, rain, cold. Judged it perfectly.

– Jakob Ingebrigtsen’s return — European Championships 5K, August 10th: First race since Tokyo World Championships. Post-surgery in February, no racing all summer. Entered in the 5K only as defending champion (no qualifying time required).

– More news stories include: The Brazilian marathoner who went missing for 44 days; 59:11 half marathoner Dennis Kipkemoi Kipkogei to Texas; Oordegem nostalia after Abdihamid Nur and Alicia Monson run well there;

– U20 World Championships, Eugene light preview

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